Different reactions with presenters of the Wikipedia on this web page
or how objectively is real this enzyklopedia?
The free enzyklopedia Wikipedia is certainly an enrichment on the Internet. Millions of interesting articles create a huge number of authors into 260 languages. These articles are provided collectively and also changed. All articles are checked by presenters before they become freigeschaltet. This procedure allows a sort of self-control on the objectivity of the articles. For many years in this way an expressive and besides free source of information has become the Wikipedia, can profit from the millions users on the Internet.
On the whole everything also functions in such a way that the greatest possible objectivity is guaranteed. Nevertheless, problems can originate in single cases with the objectivity definite article or subjects. The subject of "Lazarus orders" it is discussed in public in certain circles partly violently. This has different reasons: Basically there are many mistakes which are generally widespread and also are taken over on the Internet with pleasure unchecked and are spread. (This fact was, finally, also a reason for the origin of this web page.) Further the order was secularized in 1772 by the pope and in particular in last decades it came to separations within the order. This leads to the fact that today - in particular from members of the different order branches - partly violent discussions are led about the fact which order branch would be the only legal one. The actors so act is clear for me. Because I am the same member of the united Military and Hospitaller Order of Saint Lazarus of Jerusalem, I am persuaded of course of the fact that this institution is the only legal one. If members of other order branches think similarly, can and I do not want to appeal to them to this. Anyhow I have paid attention with my private web page to avoid provocative and assertions and to inform in general on the subject of the old order. However, problematically it becomes if presenters of single linguistic sections of the Wikipedia cover position on certain subjects clearly obviously unilaterally. And with the subject of "Lazarus orders" this is obviously the case - namely with the Czech version of the Wikipedia!
I had announced this web page in the 9/19/2010 successfully on the German section of the Wikipedia in the column web links. The German presenter has sighted the change and afterwards also leaves the link sedate by me there. The link can be seen in the present German version of the Wikipedia on the subject Lazarus order here. The link is to be found There under the web links under "extensive private info side on the subject Lazarus order into five languages and forum for the order members... " Also in the English version of the Wikipedia was found by me in 21.09.2010 announced link of the English presenter good and was left there. The link can be seen in the present English version of the Wikipedia on the subject Lazarus order here also. There the web link is to be found in the external Al links under "atavis et armis.info". To both presenters I am very I had announced this web page in the 9/19/2010 successfully on the German section of the grateful that they have left the link in the German ones and the English version. At least, one finds on this web page information which is not accessible, otherwise. In addition the in 5 languages version offers the possibility of the direct exchange of views on the subject Lazarus order to a wide circle of acquaintances also in the form.
As far as so well. When I made in the Czech version of the Wikipedia the attempt to put down this web page in the external links, it has come repeatedly for deletions by the Czech presenter Ragimiri!
If one looks first at the general contents of the Czech article on the subject Lazarus order, strikes besides following immediately. With the untersubject "Order activities in the Czech countries" it is reIf one looks first at the general contents of the Czech article on the subject Lazarus order, strikes ported for the most part about the activities of the czech Grande Priority obedience Orleans (Jan count Dobrzensky z Dobrzenicz). The activities of both jurisdictions of the united order are discussed only in few sentences. Further wrong assertions are put up. There it is maintained that the Grand Priority supports the hosital of Holy Lazarus in Pilsen. Because I myself belong of the Czech Grand Bailiwick and especially the Commandery Pilsen, I have other information. All members the Pilsener coming of the Grand Bailiwick are at the same time members of the co-operative whom the Hospitz pursues! Nothing is known by members from the Obedienz Orleans to me. Here it is apparently decorated itself with foreign feather.
Further: In the links of the German ones and the English version on the subject of Lazarus orders general formulations are used, e.g., "official international web page Saint Lazarus order - united obediency Paris and Malta" as well as "official homepage of the Lazarus order - obedience Orleans". These formulations are correct and not manipulative. However, differently it looks in the Czech section. There the formulations which point to the "competence" with the respective protectors of the different order branches directly are used. Comes first: "International sides of the order of the saint Lazarus von Jerusalem under the protectorate of the French crown performs official duties by Henrich, count of Paris and duke of France". Then then the link follows, secondly (!), the Czech jurisdiction this obedience Orleans. Then only at the third place (!) appears:"International sides of the order of the saint Lazarus under the protectorate of the Greek melkitic-catholic patriarch of Jerusalem". A Titular king has of course more weight than a patriarch. Does the social position of a protector state something, however, about the legality of the institution protected by him? This can and must probably answer one with a clear no. Furthermore became and are led procedures before courts who prove unambiguously is entitled only only which obedience legally to represent the order. To this topic there is enough information - also on the Internet. The Wikipedia, however, however, should be impartial. Since only so she can guarantee to her readers mindedness. Just for this reason particularly the presenters of the Wikipedia have to do the responsibility her personal opinion behind and to give general information the precedence. Is this with the Czech presenter Ragimiri with the subject Lazarus order the case?
At the first cancellation of my links I was directed to a page of the Czech Wikipedia . There was this message that I play translated: "Good day, please enter in the Wikipedia is not content propagandistic character, or links to your personal page or pages that you are connected to Wikipedia is not a means for propaganda or publicity , no . . collection of external links the spread of the encyclopaedic content of Wikipedia is certainly welcome Thank you for your understanding - .. Ragimiri"
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Sure this site also contains links. That is almost all websites on the Internet of the case. Therefore, this has the other two moderators of Wikipedia would not be less disturbed. This website contains no direct advertising or propaganda. " On the contrary, this website and in particular the Forum is open to all people. If I used the phrase "the Order members", I'm not limited to any obedience . On the contrary - this website is intended to contribute to mutual consultation of all persons to whom this ancient religious at heart. Practiced Christianity and chivalry is a thing of the individual and can never be acquired if you are a member of a particular community.
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Finally the presenter Ragimiri had again blocked me. His argument for it: "Spam (!)". From the presenter Ragimiri to used "arguments" are only pushed forward. If one takes into consideration like the Czech text on the subject Lazarus order unilaterally in favour of the obedience Orleans is written, then one comes not to subordinate Ragimiri a certain one-sidedness but also to the presenter. Because the Internet is anonymous, one cannot ascertain just like that who is hidden behind this name. Possibly it concerns a person who is close the Obedience Orleans or possibly it concerns even around a member of the Czech jurisdiction this obedience. Because Ragimiri apparently exercises his function Finally the presenter Ragimiri had again blocked me. His argument for it: "Spam (!)". From the as a presenter unilaterally, one must probably speak here of abuse of power. To this cannot meet just like that successfully. Therefore, I have chosen this way and have put the matter on the Internet.
Who is hidden, however, behind the pseudonym Ragimiri? Explanation about that gives the Wikipedia namely on http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Ragimiri. (Interestingly this side contains a link to the "official web page" of this person. Of what he accuses me, he makes: He puts a link to his links!) According to the information there it concerns Bc. Lukas Mizoch. Further it is stated on the side there that this person was chosen since the 9/13/2010 the governor of the Czech Wikipedia(!). Remains only to wait for how it will be ordered in future around the objectivity other articles in the Czech Wikipedia.
Now there remains to hope that this article is also read by competent people from the circle of the presenters. There remains only the question: Becoming the Czech version of the Wikipedia become more objective on the subject Lazarus order? The future will show it...
Last updated 07.05.2013
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